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Premium member Presentation Transcript Revisiting the optimum PMT size for water-Cherenkov megaton detectors: Revisiting the optimum PMT size for water-Cherenkov megaton detectors Esso Flyckt, Christophe Fontaine, Pascal Lavoute and Carole Marmonier Photonis, Brive, France NNN05 workshop Aussois 2005-04-08 Overview: Overview PHOTONIS Physics is challenging Traditional PMTs Optimal size andlt;=andgt; cost Capacity andamp; investments Sub-conclusions Discussion Randamp;D prospects Brive: Brive PHOTONIS: PHOTONIS Photomultipliers Image intensifiers Streak tubes Microchannel plates Single-channel electron multipliers Neutron detectors PMTs: PMTs Nuclear medicine (~80%) gamma cameras PET scanners Analytics/industrial (~10%) Physics (~10%) H.E.S.S. in Namibia(very-low after-pulse PMT): H.E.S.S. in Namibia (very-low after-pulse PMT) Veritas in Arizona: Veritas in Arizona Auger in Argentina: Auger in Argentina Traditional PMTs: Traditional PMTs Hemispherical 5', 8', 9', 10.6', 12', 15' Very many PMTs Example: UNO >50,000x 20“: Very many PMTs Example: UNO andgt;50,000x 20' PMT size andlt;=andgt; cost Embedded inside water volume Sensitivity Timing SE pulse-height resolution Granularity PMT size <=> cost: PMT size andlt;=andgt; cost Diameter 20' andlt;=andgt; (20')17' andlt;=andgt; 12' projected area 1660 1450 615 cm² QE(typ) 20 20 24 % CE 60 60 70 % Cost 2500 2500 800 € Cost/cm² per useful PEU= cost/(cm²xQExCE) 12.6 14.4 7.7 €/PEU/cm² Timing-Weight : Timing-Weight Weight (kg) 8 8 2.2 Single-electron resolution : Single-electron resolution Need good P/V for exact gain calibration: 20' difficult? (P/V = 1.1 - 1.7:1) 17' P/V = 1.5 - 2.5:1 (reality better) 12' P/V = 1.5 - 2.3:1 (reality better) Quantities and total cost: Quantities and total cost 20' 50,000 x € 2500 = € 125M 17' 57,200 x € 2500 = € 143M 12' 135,000 x € 800 = € 108M New pump capacity needed?: New pump capacity needed? Delivery over 6 years 300 working days/year 20' tube 50,000/6/300 =andgt; 28 good tubes x yield 0.7 = 40 starts/day (1 start/pump/day) =andgt; 40 pumps ( € 7M or so) 12' tube 135,000/6/300 =andgt; 75 good tubes x yield 0.7 = 110 starts/day. A multi-array computerised pump at Photonis handles 20 starts/day =andgt; 6 pumps ( € 2M or so) + Sub-conclusions: + Sub-conclusions 12' seems much better than 20'/17' cost per useful photoelectron andamp; total PMT cost timing single-electron resolution (17' equal) granularity weight and handling implosion risk investments and start-up - Sub-conclusions: - Sub-conclusions cost of more cables and electronics 12' tubes may also need a shield at 60 m depth (or thicker glass?) Discussion: Discussion The 12' tube is a cost-optimum for Photonis pumping systems - maybe other cost-optima in 8' - 15' for other suppliers? Can be made by at least 4 suppliers - without major Randamp;D! Photonis is willing, able and prepared up to 15' However, non-industry investments needed! Optimise!Cost/cm² per useful PEU= cost/(cm²xQExCE): Optimise! Cost/cm² per useful PEU= cost/(cm²xQExCE) Invest in QE now!: Invest in QE now! Instead of investing € 7M (or so) for 20' it is better to invest € 2M (or so) for 12' and another € 0.5M in getting the QE up to andgt; 30 % Photonis has such a QE programme Characterisation with French institutes „Smart“ PMTs so far: „Smart' PMTs so far „smart' =andgt; PHR =andgt; elimination of single PE noise (for DUMANDs) Patented by Philips (Photonis) Copied (faster mushrom shape) by INR, Moscow, into the „QUASAR' Philips (spherical) Slide22: anode target was YSO single-crystal at +25-30 kV =andgt; photocathode at ground potential! partly sensitive from the back Pulse-height resolution: Pulse-height resolution S/N 8 andamp; 10 deployed in Lake Baikal Status „smart“ PMTs: Status „smart' PMTs Philips/Photonis made ~ 30; invested 1M €! 200 QUASARs operating for many years in Lake Baikal =andgt; proof of concept as to life time! No ongoing production! Could be made (and improved) again! Possible „smart“ PMTs: Possible „smart' PMTs Reproduce and improve former tubes Redesign (target) Better scintillator (LSO, ZnO:Ga, ...) Si diode/Si diode array APD/APD array Multianode multiplier Quadrant PMT (inside/outside) ?? On-going R&D: On-going Randamp;D „smart' 8 =andgt; 12' tubes with: electron-bombarded scintillator in a preamplifier tube, read-out by a small, fast PMT electron-bombarded Si diode as the anode Both will resolve 1, 2, 3, several photoelectrons but - need to stand andgt; 15 - 20 kV Is such „smartness' worth a factor 2-3 in cost? Photonis has all the technical capability needed!R&D cooperation: detailed & intensive talks are going on with the MEMPHYS collaboration to define a balanced programmeWorkshop planned in the spring: Photonis has all the technical capability needed! Randamp;D cooperation: detailed andamp; intensive talks are going on with the MEMPHYS collaboration to define a balanced programme Workshop planned in the spring Questions?: Questions? 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Premium member Presentation Transcript Revisiting the optimum PMT size for water-Cherenkov megaton detectors: Revisiting the optimum PMT size for water-Cherenkov megaton detectors Esso Flyckt, Christophe Fontaine, Pascal Lavoute and Carole Marmonier Photonis, Brive, France NNN05 workshop Aussois 2005-04-08 Overview: Overview PHOTONIS Physics is challenging Traditional PMTs Optimal size andlt;=andgt; cost Capacity andamp; investments Sub-conclusions Discussion Randamp;D prospects Brive: Brive PHOTONIS: PHOTONIS Photomultipliers Image intensifiers Streak tubes Microchannel plates Single-channel electron multipliers Neutron detectors PMTs: PMTs Nuclear medicine (~80%) gamma cameras PET scanners Analytics/industrial (~10%) Physics (~10%) H.E.S.S. in Namibia(very-low after-pulse PMT): H.E.S.S. in Namibia (very-low after-pulse PMT) Veritas in Arizona: Veritas in Arizona Auger in Argentina: Auger in Argentina Traditional PMTs: Traditional PMTs Hemispherical 5', 8', 9', 10.6', 12', 15' Very many PMTs Example: UNO >50,000x 20“: Very many PMTs Example: UNO andgt;50,000x 20' PMT size andlt;=andgt; cost Embedded inside water volume Sensitivity Timing SE pulse-height resolution Granularity PMT size <=> cost: PMT size andlt;=andgt; cost Diameter 20' andlt;=andgt; (20')17' andlt;=andgt; 12' projected area 1660 1450 615 cm² QE(typ) 20 20 24 % CE 60 60 70 % Cost 2500 2500 800 € Cost/cm² per useful PEU= cost/(cm²xQExCE) 12.6 14.4 7.7 €/PEU/cm² Timing-Weight : Timing-Weight Weight (kg) 8 8 2.2 Single-electron resolution : Single-electron resolution Need good P/V for exact gain calibration: 20' difficult? (P/V = 1.1 - 1.7:1) 17' P/V = 1.5 - 2.5:1 (reality better) 12' P/V = 1.5 - 2.3:1 (reality better) Quantities and total cost: Quantities and total cost 20' 50,000 x € 2500 = € 125M 17' 57,200 x € 2500 = € 143M 12' 135,000 x € 800 = € 108M New pump capacity needed?: New pump capacity needed? Delivery over 6 years 300 working days/year 20' tube 50,000/6/300 =andgt; 28 good tubes x yield 0.7 = 40 starts/day (1 start/pump/day) =andgt; 40 pumps ( € 7M or so) 12' tube 135,000/6/300 =andgt; 75 good tubes x yield 0.7 = 110 starts/day. A multi-array computerised pump at Photonis handles 20 starts/day =andgt; 6 pumps ( € 2M or so) + Sub-conclusions: + Sub-conclusions 12' seems much better than 20'/17' cost per useful photoelectron andamp; total PMT cost timing single-electron resolution (17' equal) granularity weight and handling implosion risk investments and start-up - Sub-conclusions: - Sub-conclusions cost of more cables and electronics 12' tubes may also need a shield at 60 m depth (or thicker glass?) Discussion: Discussion The 12' tube is a cost-optimum for Photonis pumping systems - maybe other cost-optima in 8' - 15' for other suppliers? Can be made by at least 4 suppliers - without major Randamp;D! Photonis is willing, able and prepared up to 15' However, non-industry investments needed! Optimise!Cost/cm² per useful PEU= cost/(cm²xQExCE): Optimise! Cost/cm² per useful PEU= cost/(cm²xQExCE) Invest in QE now!: Invest in QE now! Instead of investing € 7M (or so) for 20' it is better to invest € 2M (or so) for 12' and another € 0.5M in getting the QE up to andgt; 30 % Photonis has such a QE programme Characterisation with French institutes „Smart“ PMTs so far: „Smart' PMTs so far „smart' =andgt; PHR =andgt; elimination of single PE noise (for DUMANDs) Patented by Philips (Photonis) Copied (faster mushrom shape) by INR, Moscow, into the „QUASAR' Philips (spherical) Slide22: anode target was YSO single-crystal at +25-30 kV =andgt; photocathode at ground potential! partly sensitive from the back Pulse-height resolution: Pulse-height resolution S/N 8 andamp; 10 deployed in Lake Baikal Status „smart“ PMTs: Status „smart' PMTs Philips/Photonis made ~ 30; invested 1M €! 200 QUASARs operating for many years in Lake Baikal =andgt; proof of concept as to life time! No ongoing production! Could be made (and improved) again! Possible „smart“ PMTs: Possible „smart' PMTs Reproduce and improve former tubes Redesign (target) Better scintillator (LSO, ZnO:Ga, ...) Si diode/Si diode array APD/APD array Multianode multiplier Quadrant PMT (inside/outside) ?? On-going R&D: On-going Randamp;D „smart' 8 =andgt; 12' tubes with: electron-bombarded scintillator in a preamplifier tube, read-out by a small, fast PMT electron-bombarded Si diode as the anode Both will resolve 1, 2, 3, several photoelectrons but - need to stand andgt; 15 - 20 kV Is such „smartness' worth a factor 2-3 in cost? Photonis has all the technical capability needed!R&D cooperation: detailed & intensive talks are going on with the MEMPHYS collaboration to define a balanced programmeWorkshop planned in the spring: Photonis has all the technical capability needed! Randamp;D cooperation: detailed andamp; intensive talks are going on with the MEMPHYS collaboration to define a balanced programme Workshop planned in the spring Questions?: Questions?